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e.

McCain's VP pick is Alaskan gov. Sarah Palin, who's actually Pro-Life; as a former Alaskan, any thoughts?

pNielsen

If you'll indulge me, one of the questions I've long had about Catholicism is why it's expected that saints will pray for us. Is it not Christ that intercedes for us? Is there a passage of Scripture I'm missing that suggests dead believers intercede for us as well? Perhaps in the apocrypha , something not in my Protestant canon?

I once heard, in an Episcopal service, an appeal for us to pray for the apostle Paul. That was stranger yet to me . . .

e.

Being a saint, this means s/he is with God, interceding for us in Heaven, as the saints in Heaven do -- the very depiction of which is given in Revelation:


Rv 8:4:
4 And the smoke of the incense of the prayers of the saints ascended up before God from the hand of the angel.

A great verse of Scripture that you might want to look at is Revelation 5:8 which shows us a great example of intercession of the Saints. It says that John here is receiving a vision of Heaven and he sees: “And when he had taken the scroll, the 4 living creatures and 24 elders (now this is 4 angels and 24 human beings) fell down before the Lord before the Lamb, each holding a harp and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the Saints” and they take those prayers to God.


Also, do you really think that when folks such as St. Paul dies, they're actually dead?

As James 5:16 said about the continual prayer of a Just Man Availeth Much, I don't see how this would only be applicable to Christians now on earth and not applicable to those who are actually with God in Heaven.

Tim J.

I'm at a loss about why one would pray *for* a saint.

???

The whole issue of saints praying for us is, though, deserves a post all its own.

If I remember, there are some passages in the deuterocanonicals (as you guessed) that support the idea, though it may not be spelled out explicitly.

It's also a matter of the constant practice of the Church from the records of the earliest Christians communities onward.

More later.

pNielsen

e., thanks for the references. An officemate pointed out that there is another eluding to prayers for the dead (not so much by the dead though) in either Titus or one of the many Peter's.

And I'm using dead in a very earthly way. They are dead = they aren't physically with us any longer.

Also, pure happenstance (or pure divine guidance) after I posted here i was messing around with a great new Firefox add-on called Ubiquity. It, for some reason unbeknownst to me, directed to a Jimmy Akin post on praying for the dead: http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2008/08/prayer-for-the.html . Good post. Some questions I still have, but solid. Doesn't mean that I agree with him, necessarily, in that it's "natural" to pray for our dead loved ones, out of said love . . . but then again, I've never had anyone close to me die.

I'm an anomaly in that at 31 years old, I know. I don't know if it's a blessing or a disaster in the making.

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